>>69
>I'm beginning to hate how inadequate my art looks despite all the time I've spent drawing

take your time, dont expect results asap and try to also enjoy what you've made. It's easy to see mistakes in one's art, so chill out and accept your current weaknesses (and if you can, play around them).

I'd recommend that you also draw finished drawings, instead of just "exercising" (it could be as simple as editing an already existing picture or doing a parody). And make something that others will enjoy (this is very important, that's what got me back to drawing, after quitting for a while). I'd much rather see your projects, than just sketches.

If you wanna, listen to some music to get ya in the mood. Or go outside and enjoy the weather. Your emotional state can have an affect on your performance.

Here are some drawings i did around two/tree years ago. They are bad when it comes to anatomy and color, but I still enjoy them and people back then also did.

>>71
Not necessarily. You can have a study session (lets say, you wanna see the muscles around the eye) and by that I mean you look at reference drawing/picture and you try to notice any details and you copy them as sketches. Then you can put that study into practice, by drawing something you like (while looking at your study sketches for reference, if you need it). But spending twice as much is just going to get you tired, can worsen your performance and can demotivate/burn you out.

@too2q

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>>65
>We agree on everything, toot.
I agree to disagree, toby.
>I got the point but I like going on snca tangents. You know this.
NO FUN ALLOWED!!1!1!!
>It can be both.
Nigga, in this context we aint talking about architecture. I know that some applied arts can get technical.
>To me the form is the best part, and therefore fun.
form and flow work together. my point is that hyper focusing on form is le bad o algo.

On a serious note, please do not ever again disgrace this site by uploading steven universe art. This is breaking rule 3, 4, 6, 8 and 9 and is a bannable offense.

Besides, this is an overexaguration as to what i meant by "2d proportions are not constant". This brakes rule 10 and is, therefore, a death sentence. I am coming to Bulgaria soon. Please do not run.

>>62
>I always taught myself to forego sketching and go straight into the drawing
By "sketch" i do mean something that strives to picrel. On paper, it is better to use as little lines as possible, since you will need to erase it and at one point ya cant truly erase and it leaves some "muddiness". But good on you, Toby!

>phantasia scale test to show how easy can demons infiltrate your mind

i also have ideas. Sometimes i just feel like i need to see if they are good in practice. From that i might get other ideas.
What i will say is that the concept of "layers" in digital art can hurt your drawing confidence. At one point I would make a million layers for a single drawing "just to make sure".
For ink, i'm not Brave enough to go straight to it yet. I do know some artists that do, but they have way more experience than me.

>Both of these people are artists
Missed the point award. Not that study sessions and reference materials are le bad (i use them all the time), but drawing is not an exact science. Have fun and learn to draw the flow, not just the form.

>Steven Universe vindicated again. x2
Marge?

>>63
We do be like that sometimes. I'm not sure how you'd properly "test" this.

THE KURDUR CONFEDERACY

A member of the Maenads, their spiritual class

The Kurdurs were a a mighty semi-nomadic people, who's kingdom was situated near the the southeastern borders of the empire, beyond the Druvon river. Their origins is a bit muddy, but the earliest mentions of the name "kurdur" appear 4 centuries after the Esavo-Yakovite wars. A notable physical feature of theirs is the extended lower ear lobe, which is similar to some human drawings seen in more ancient pottery around the southern themes.
It is also notable to mention that although the confederacy had a male head of state, Mal'katyan at the time, and that all of the tribes were patriarchal in appearance, it was actually their female priestly class, known as the Maenads, who pulled the strings behind the scenes. This was due to the endorsement of polygyny in their society, which the Maenads exploited by sending loyal agents as brides to key political figures. This included Mal'katyan, who had 18 wives, from whom allegedly 12 were such agents and had great influence on the inner politics of the state.
There is a famous tragedy, which happened during that time. The son of one of the stronger tribe's leader, Uspurjah, was sent at an early age to study at Koronstinop, the city at the Hollon strait. Due to Thrixian influence, he refused to engage in sexual immorality and strived to remain pure, which made him surprisingly very sought after by women, especially the great Bacchae, the spiritual leader. Only one would unintentionally take his heart, a gorgeous and innocent young lady by the name of Friska, who was being trained to be a Maenad. Their relationship could remain secret for so long, before the higher-ups would take notice. Numerous attempts were made to separate Uspurjah from Friska by offering brides to no avail. The Morg'Ar invasion offered a great opportunity to end this relationship, but i shall stop here, as i highly recommend you to read the tragedy yourself. I will send you a copy soon.

Besides the eastern migrations, the Morgs also caused a crisis from the southwest parts of the empire, which culminated in the Sunai uprising, a very devastating conflict.

>>56
>If you actually want to bother to make the figure proportional and with a thought-out, well-flowing pose, you can be drawing the same picture for days.

true to some extend. Usually what you do is you do quick and small flow sketches and goof around to see what works best. You could also go straight ahead with drawing the main sketch and work with the flow (but sometimes you are risking scratching your "first attempt"). It depends on the situation and mood.

Speaking of proportions, they also fall in the category of "good to know the basic rules, but nobody will calculate the details". In 2D art, proportions are NOT a constant (unlike in 3d sculptures), which means that the proportions are up to the artist to interpret. Its good to know stuff like landmarks (key bones) and the rough size of some bones (and spacing between some parts of the body etc), but again, this aint theoretical physics.

>>59
>picrel

>>52
It depends. As Bob said, roughly 3 hours is for the pencil sketch (these are made on paper and scanned). I try to recheck the sketch after some time and see if there are any problems and if there's something that can be added/changed/removed (usually there's always something to change). So that can add extra time.
After that you have the inking, which is also extra hours and you have to be careful, you cant erase ink.

Keep in mind, time flies by when you draw, so I cant give you exactly the time frame. On paper it take more time, but it's a fun process and the end result are better (imo). Digitally it's faster, as you can edit the image at any time, but this can give you bad habits and hinder your drawing skills.

Also keep in mind, some of the details dont take that much brain power and are random. Nobody is going to calculate if the cloth folds are mathematically/physically correct to the last detail. There are general rules to keep in mind, but if it looks believable/pleasant enough, you're good to go. Not that mine are believable enough, im still figuring things out.

Also the text might be a little bit unrefined (I was making it up as i went, with only a few basic concepts in my head). My plan was to finish the other two drawings + to make a few more and then to make a bigger lore file, but since there isnt much posting in here, i decided to start a thread on this project.

>>49
>Makes up a name so that Blizzard cant sue him
>Ends up making a name, which is in a Blizzard's game
>A cease and desist letter for a snca project

AGE OF TRIBULATION:

THE GREAT MIGRATION PERIOD

Pt.1

Dear Brother Manaxis,

since our last correspondence, I've went on a journey to gather as much information about the period during the reign of Recas and his right hand, St. Sabileus. Since there is a lot to cover, I will first introduce you to the basic geopolitical context of the time. For our reference point, we shall use the empire at the time, since it's more familiar to us.

THE MIRAN EMPIRE

A Sabilean Infantry of the time of Recas

The Mirian empire was de jure unified under Recas and the senate, who ruled from Mir, a city located at the middle of the Ixilo peninsula. However, de facto the empire was already fractured between the northern and southern themes. This was due to the fact that Thrixianity had already grown exponentially among the populous since the olostolic era, especially in the south. In the north, the ekiznikian religions still had influence over parts of society, including the emperor and the other ruling classes.
St. Sabileus was a young and loyal general from an aristocratic origin, who was tasked with defending the southern borders beyond the Hollon strait, near the Efere dessert. Although a mighty warrior, he was more known for his deception tactics and preference to psychological warfare. Probably because of this, he was exalted by Recas to the rank of governor and was given control over the southern themes unofficially to deal with the growing influence of the Faith. As a newly appointed governor, his first job was to learn in great detail about his enemy and if he has any weaknesses that he could exploit. His eventual secret conversion was influenced by many encounters he had with laymen and clergy, but, in short, Sabileus was ultimately convinced by the monk St. Morcos to abandon his ekiznikian belief and to embrace Thrixos. After that, he indirectly supported the Church using third parties and he managed to establish a secret network of merchants, politicians and generals loyal to him.
There are evidence, in the form of unsigned letters, that Recas and the senate did know of a potential betrayal, but, due to a fear of causing a civil war, could do little about it. Conveniently for them, perhaps too conveniently, chaos was coming from the far southeastern planes...

THE MORG'AR KHAGANATE

A Raider from the Uvur tribe

The Morg'Ar khaganate was ruled by the great khagan Shor, who was responsible for unifying all morg tribes and defeating another great empire, the Tai'gan. What motivated Shor to expand north is a vision from the great shaman, who saw a threat greater than the Tai'gan, who was located "up in the skies".
The morgs had a very animistic world view. Their spiritual order of shamans believed that their magical powers derive from the spirits around the natural world. Thus, they had arranged a system of ritualistic sacrifices to please different spirits in different situations. They also believed that totems, if done "properly", could hold a part of the essences of a spirit. The craftsmanship surrounding totems unintentionally made the morgs into excellent wood workers, a skill which was inherited by their descendants, who build beautiful churches these days.
The expansion resulted into the displacement of many nomadic tribes, causing them to gradually move north and to eventually cause trouble to the empire. Not all tribes were forcefully displaced. Some, like the ones from the mighty Ovchor people and the cunning Finka people, joined the khaganate voluntarily in exchange for territory and resources.
There was one collection of tribes that gave the most resistance, known as the Kurdur confederacy, which was located near the southeastern borders of the empire....

>>44
one of the books is about the anatomy of facial expressions. my guess is that you are only working with eyebrows and maybe a few muscles around the mouth. I dont have material specifically about this topic, but you could do a study on them comic heros, like spiderman or deadpool.

Welcome to the club! We would love to see what you're up to!

>>40
Hands can be nasty sometimes. You can check the anatomy for sculptors book in /metaoc/, there is a section about the form of hands. As for drawing methods, there was this video by David Hinch https://youtu.be/YcM5PHft0EQ which had some good tips. But the basic thing is that the lines between the finger joints should be curvy, to make them more dynamic.

>>11
yeah, catbox. I do remember it was slow too, so i will check the other options.

test test

test test

>>52

>>47
yes, but again, idk what OPblvvd was yappin about
>>48
cool

>>31
o algo*

>>32
alright, i will think of something and will make a thread

>>28
what if we did a collab effort to make an "invitation card for the club"?

i like this cabbit

a cabbit

but this one's better

a second cabbit

>>45
>multiple pictures
I am gonna guess what OP meant:
If you remember mybb (we will use that as an exmaple), you could put images on the post itself between paragraphs and such. It would be like me talking and then i decide to put an image

Image

and then continue. Otherwise idk what blud is yappin about.

Ig we can put a static page about markdown syntax

>avatars
I personally dont mind them if they are viewable in restricted areas (i.e. your profile, not on a post/thread). I do notice that theres a lot of visual clutter in old forums where there shouldnt be.

>>44
>zarty part
keep in mind (as too2q mentioned) that soruum has the perpouse of killing two birds with one stone. It can act as both an imageboard (to replace vichan on da zarty) and a bulletinboard/classical forum (there arent any good alternatives that dont cost money).

Visual structure wise, the reference point is vichan because of the familiarity and because it works. There's just stuff thats going to naturally be inherited from vichan/zarty (images for the captcha are prob going to be changed doe)

>>26
glad to hear it.

I do have some art to ink and scan and i will drop a project of mine here. otherwise for now i can offer a draw request thread as a personal effort.

but yeah, this is getting autistic.

I aint making new boards, i aint that type of guy. id rather just restrict the current boards to limit outside migration. simple as

>>35
I will make /oc6/ where its a link to the artkabbal cord server

>>30

/oc4/ you need to do irl missions in order to be granted a secret account, after that you are forced to hide your account >>31

>>24
yeah, sure! spread the news to whoever might be interested. this place needs people rn.

>>26
>>25
idk, this sounds a bit too much imo. it sets conditions for a community divide, which isnt my goal, nor would it end well.

>>20
You can thank too2q for the site, he did most of the heavy lifting.

For now the plan is to post on the site for a bit. after we have a bunch of gemmy threads, ig we can make a promotional video for the site (which prob wont attract too much attention). I encourage people to post their stuff on oc, even if its just some piece of art. Maybe art request and similar threads would also be interesting.

I am not sure about group projects. The most i can think of as of now are having one canvas, we pick a theme and each individual draws something on that canvas. I am a bit busy, so i cant propose anything more complex than that.

if you guys have any suggestions, share them!

>>9
also there was this one file sharing site that was lightbrown and i think there was a cat/box theme, but i constantly forget about the name